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<p><img src="https://thumbnails.lbry.com/FCvQsqSCWjA" width="480" alt="thumbnail" title="The 4 Horsemen of Meaning | Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau | JBP Podcast S4 E59" /></p>This episode was recorded on September 10th 2021.<br /><br />Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau have a round table to explore ideas and theories of Meaning. All three guests have been on the podcast before, and all share Jordan’s passion for the universal truths of human experience. This deep discussion explores the roots of Meaning and religious significance.<br /><br />Bishop Barron is the founder of Word on Fire and the auxiliary bishop of the archdiocese of LA.<br /><br />John Vervaeke is a colleague of Jordan’s and an associate professor at the University of Toronto since 1994. He teaches courses on reasoning, cognitive development, and higher cognitive processes.<br /><br />Jonathan Pageau is a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and class carver of orthodox icons.<br /><br />-<br /><br />Find more Bishop Barron on YouTube: <br />https://youtube.com/user/wordonfirevideo Robert Barron <br />and on https://wordonfire.org/<br /><br />Find more John Vervaeke online on his website: <br />http://johnvervaeke.com<br />Or YouTube channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCpqDUjTsof-kTNpnyWper_Q<br /><br />Find more Jonathan Pageau on YouTube:<br />https://youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ <br />or his website http://www.pageaucarvings.com<br /><br />_________<br />[00:00] Preview<br />[01:30] Intro<br />[02:40] Everyone gives their answer to “What is meaning?”<br />[03:30] “We're using meaning as a metaphor... something similar to the way a sentence works. It has intelligibility to it that connects us to the world... so that we can interact and be informed by it” Jon Vervaeke<br />[07:22] “Our mental framing is transparent like a pair of glasses, but there are times we need to step back and, by taking the glasses off and examining them, consider our framing structure" JV<br />[09:10] “When you look at the world there is a central point of focus. When you focus on the point with your eyes it becomes very clear... until we no longer perceive anything by the edge of our vision. It's nothingness, it's just not there" Jordan Peterson<br />[13:56] Bishop Barron's view on meaning and religion<br />[14:23] “I would say that meaning is to be in a purposeful relationship to a value" Bishop Robert Barron<br />[17:55] “So I'm talking to you, which I believe is a good, but it's nested in a higher good and a still higher good, so finally I want not just this particular good but good itself—that's a religious relationship" BRB<br />[18:20] Pageau’s opening thoughts on meaning and religion<br />[19:56] “The reason we perceive hierarchy is because we are always judging... or trying to evaluate whether something’s good" Pageau<br />[20:31] Jordan’s brief foray into “mini-celebrations”<br />[21:53] The idea of revelation<br />[24:46] “It isn't obvious to me that we see objects—we see patterns" JP<br />[27:40] “Like a Rolling Stone—it wasn't the first song I liked, but it was the first that r<br />...<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvQsqSCWjA |